what happened to the other bitsthere was Gordon Ramsay and blokey mind reader on it when you first posted.
Also, I like how no one replied yet it still made it on to the popular page, and is number one in the image challenge! :D
*edit - hahaha, and a front page!
Even after 4 and a half years I have no idea howthis site the world works
(Also, I like how no one replied yet it still made it on to the popular page, and is number one in the image challenge! :D
*edit - hahaha, and a front page!
Even after 4 and a half years I have no idea how
HappyToast Groat froth,
Thu 28 Oct 2010, 10:26,
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I felt the amount of people whoclicked "I don't get it" above meant that bit didn't really work, whereas the top bit had design appeal, if no real joke.
So I made it just that bit.
I am slightly amused that getting rid of the jokes has made people like it, though.
(So I made it just that bit.
I am slightly amused that getting rid of the jokes has made people like it, though.
monkeon schmonkeon,
Thu 28 Oct 2010, 13:01,
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I think there should be a 'who else liked this' feature, which lists who clicked on what.I'm gonna struggle to put my next point across without looking like a twat and pissing monkeon off; but this is in no way aimed at him or his post.
But, I sometimes wonder how many fake or secondary accounts there are out there which are used to click on a certain persons work. Sometimes a users work can sit a lot higher up the image challenge page over a another users work which is far better quality/more hummus. Usually a newbies work who has less friends. And maybe that's what it is! There is a certain clique "you click mine and I'll click yours, sir" feeling to this place sometimes.
/rant off
(But, I sometimes wonder how many fake or secondary accounts there are out there which are used to click on a certain persons work. Sometimes a users work can sit a lot higher up the image challenge page over a another users work which is far better quality/more hummus. Usually a newbies work who has less friends. And maybe that's what it is! There is a certain clique "you click mine and I'll click yours, sir" feeling to this place sometimes.
/rant off
BleachedEgo draw a cdc then get back to your teen porn.Pricks,
Thu 28 Oct 2010, 13:21,
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There is a kind of 'who else liked this' featurewhere your 'friends activity' page will show you the stuff your friends liked, and list how many of them liked it. Not quite a list of everyone who liked a post, but interesting nonetheless.
In answer to your point about fake/secondary accounts, I very much doubt that has much effect at all even if it goes on. The amount of votes needed to get on the popular page, and high up in the image challenge varies depending on how many people are voting at that time. Sometimes they need a lot of votes, sometimes not so much. Times when there have not been a lot of votes, maybe the results are a little more whacky. Stuff that gets frontpaged is obviously going to end up with more votes as it remains more visible than a post that falls off the board before it gains any voting momentum.
Having said that, can you define quality/hummus? What you think makes a good picture is not necessarily what everybody else thinks. Just because you clicked 'i like this' doesn't mean many other people have. Maybe everyone else just has shitty taste, or maybe you do?
And at the end of the day, you have to ask yourself, 'Does it really matter?" It's just a website full of photoshops that is trying to make people laugh a bit. Does it really matter that one person's badly photoshopped cock joke got a couple of votes more than somebody else's?
(In answer to your point about fake/secondary accounts, I very much doubt that has much effect at all even if it goes on. The amount of votes needed to get on the popular page, and high up in the image challenge varies depending on how many people are voting at that time. Sometimes they need a lot of votes, sometimes not so much. Times when there have not been a lot of votes, maybe the results are a little more whacky. Stuff that gets frontpaged is obviously going to end up with more votes as it remains more visible than a post that falls off the board before it gains any voting momentum.
Having said that, can you define quality/hummus? What you think makes a good picture is not necessarily what everybody else thinks. Just because you clicked 'i like this' doesn't mean many other people have. Maybe everyone else just has shitty taste, or maybe you do?
And at the end of the day, you have to ask yourself, 'Does it really matter?" It's just a website full of photoshops that is trying to make people laugh a bit. Does it really matter that one person's badly photoshopped cock joke got a couple of votes more than somebody else's?
Mystery_Bob,
Thu 28 Oct 2010, 15:22,
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Sorry for the late reply. Real shitty day.I agree with what you say, and I understand that my version or quality or hummus will be different to anyone elses.
It's just that I kinda agree with what Happytoast has to say, but maybe in a more direct way. There doesn't seem to be any kinda formula or sense in how making something popular or fp'd works, which brings out the analytical cynic in me. THINGS MUST MAKE SENSE!!!
And no, it doesn't really matter. I just think it may matter to someone who's put a lot of effort into a pic/animation for it to be trumped by maybe something maybe not as good but not 'liked' (or just dismissed altogether) as he or she hasn't the 'friends, sir' to make it so. It could put off someone from continuing to participate on the board.
As for the clique thing - I've actually found this to get worse over the past year or so. I may not participate as much as many of you guys but I spend a lot of time on this board. Consider me the quiet, timid guy who sits in the corner, not really talking to anyone but taking it all in. It's not a bad thing all together, it shows the solidarity of the board in a certain sense; but it makes you kinda see where the popularity of some peeps work comes from.
In the end it doesn't really fucking matter. I love this place and will continue to be a quiet guy in the corner part of it for a long time. It's probably the only site I go on which doesn't get closed on my browser all day, unless the boss walks in.
It's just one lonely mans point of view ;)
(It's just that I kinda agree with what Happytoast has to say, but maybe in a more direct way. There doesn't seem to be any kinda formula or sense in how making something popular or fp'd works, which brings out the analytical cynic in me. THINGS MUST MAKE SENSE!!!
And no, it doesn't really matter. I just think it may matter to someone who's put a lot of effort into a pic/animation for it to be trumped by maybe something maybe not as good but not 'liked' (or just dismissed altogether) as he or she hasn't the 'friends, sir' to make it so. It could put off someone from continuing to participate on the board.
As for the clique thing - I've actually found this to get worse over the past year or so. I may not participate as much as many of you guys but I spend a lot of time on this board. Consider me the quiet, timid guy who sits in the corner, not really talking to anyone but taking it all in. It's not a bad thing all together, it shows the solidarity of the board in a certain sense; but it makes you kinda see where the popularity of some peeps work comes from.
In the end it doesn't really fucking matter. I love this place and will continue to be a quiet guy in the corner part of it for a long time. It's probably the only site I go on which doesn't get closed on my browser all day, unless the boss walks in.
It's just one lonely mans point of view ;)
BleachedEgo draw a cdc then get back to your teen porn.Pricks,
Thu 28 Oct 2010, 22:02,
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Perhaps there is an element of friends liking each other's posts more than othersbut not through any kind of conspiracy. If you like somebody's posts, you will probably add them as a friend, have their posts show up in your friend feed and then be more likely to notice and vote on their subsequent posts. I often click stuff I see in my friends page which has long since disappeared off the board.
As to spotting trends in front pages - I wouldn't bother. It's down to the whim of the mods and whatever made them laugh at any given time. The popular page may be scanned to see what the board has been liking recently, but the final say for frontpages are the individual mods and whatever tickles them. Maybe half the board might click for a particular post, but if it doesn;t make any of the mods laugh it's not going to get frontpaged.
Like Monkeon says down there, if any boarders seem to get more frontpages than others, then maybe they just have a sense of humour that makes one or more of the mods laugh.
(As to spotting trends in front pages - I wouldn't bother. It's down to the whim of the mods and whatever made them laugh at any given time. The popular page may be scanned to see what the board has been liking recently, but the final say for frontpages are the individual mods and whatever tickles them. Maybe half the board might click for a particular post, but if it doesn;t make any of the mods laugh it's not going to get frontpaged.
Like Monkeon says down there, if any boarders seem to get more frontpages than others, then maybe they just have a sense of humour that makes one or more of the mods laugh.
Mystery_Bob,
Fri 29 Oct 2010, 2:43,
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My 2 cents ..Interesting discussion, but I don't think that you are right. Sure, some of the most frequent posters will tend to build up a common history. They will use the board for chatting, over time some will even develop friendships. B3ta will become an integral part of their social fabric.
However, I don't think it affects the "I like this" voting in any decisive way.
First of all, even though there may be a dozen or two of these really active "core" members, I think that they are far outnumbered by the occasional posters and the lurkers. People who will, without prejudice, click "I like this" when they see something they like.
Secondly it contradicts my own experience. I am the irregular poster, active at times, less active at other times. My merits include winning the image competition a few times and being front paged on a few occasions. I have also posted a lot of things that didn't work out, ideas that seemed good when they popped up in my head but which in retrospect were dead ends. I generally agree with the "verdicts" of the board, both when I hit the target and when I fail miserably. I try to make a point of learning from my experiences and I think that b3ta has helped me sharpen my sense of what is funny to other people and what is not. I don't attribute my occasional successes to being a member of any "clique" since I'm obviously not.
An important thing to understand here is that on b3ta the idea weighs just as heavily as the execution. If you create a really funny or bizzare cartoon, the crowd will not mind that you drew stick people in MS Paint. You will probably also get a round of applause if you create a really beautiful or artsy drawing. But the stick people bizzareness might very well float to the top.
(,
Fri 29 Oct 2010, 8:16,
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However, I don't think it affects the "I like this" voting in any decisive way.
First of all, even though there may be a dozen or two of these really active "core" members, I think that they are far outnumbered by the occasional posters and the lurkers. People who will, without prejudice, click "I like this" when they see something they like.
Secondly it contradicts my own experience. I am the irregular poster, active at times, less active at other times. My merits include winning the image competition a few times and being front paged on a few occasions. I have also posted a lot of things that didn't work out, ideas that seemed good when they popped up in my head but which in retrospect were dead ends. I generally agree with the "verdicts" of the board, both when I hit the target and when I fail miserably. I try to make a point of learning from my experiences and I think that b3ta has helped me sharpen my sense of what is funny to other people and what is not. I don't attribute my occasional successes to being a member of any "clique" since I'm obviously not.
An important thing to understand here is that on b3ta the idea weighs just as heavily as the execution. If you create a really funny or bizzare cartoon, the crowd will not mind that you drew stick people in MS Paint. You will probably also get a round of applause if you create a really beautiful or artsy drawing. But the stick people bizzareness might very well float to the top.
To be honestI'm usually surprised at which pictures of mine do well and which fail.
I'll sometimes think that I've done a great image, and it will get nowhere, and I'm sometimes rather doubtful of something and it'll do surprisingly well (as in this case).
In this instance, it's a bit of both - as it obviously really wasn't working with the additional frames, as most of the confused comments above were from a longer version which was a bit too disjointed to make sense, and I didn't have enough confidence that it would work on it's own, which is why I'd extended it in the first place.
There seem to be other issues as to what does well - eg average jokes made on the first day of the challenge will do better than good ones made at the end, when people are getting bored of things, and topical gags seem to do disproportionately well. Interestingly, cock gags generally don't seem to do as well as you'd think, considering they are a staple of comedy clubs. Geek jokes do well - which probably says something about the site's user base.
There is also the fact that the friends feature means that people who've been here longer will have their work in more people's friends page and thus have more chance that their post seen by people who already like their stuff.
Ultimately, most things are down to personal taste - I rarely like puns - but some of the most popular posts on here have fallen into that category.
Perhaps an interesting theory would be to suggest that the most popular posts are appealing to the lowest common denominator, and so the best stuff for hummus is to be found on the second page of the challenge.
edit: With regards to the multiple accounts theory - Ultimately the only reward of making stuff here is that it can give a buzz when people like it. If you were cheating those results, then I fail to see what someone would get out of making stuff and joining in.
(I'll sometimes think that I've done a great image, and it will get nowhere, and I'm sometimes rather doubtful of something and it'll do surprisingly well (as in this case).
In this instance, it's a bit of both - as it obviously really wasn't working with the additional frames, as most of the confused comments above were from a longer version which was a bit too disjointed to make sense, and I didn't have enough confidence that it would work on it's own, which is why I'd extended it in the first place.
There seem to be other issues as to what does well - eg average jokes made on the first day of the challenge will do better than good ones made at the end, when people are getting bored of things, and topical gags seem to do disproportionately well. Interestingly, cock gags generally don't seem to do as well as you'd think, considering they are a staple of comedy clubs. Geek jokes do well - which probably says something about the site's user base.
There is also the fact that the friends feature means that people who've been here longer will have their work in more people's friends page and thus have more chance that their post seen by people who already like their stuff.
Ultimately, most things are down to personal taste - I rarely like puns - but some of the most popular posts on here have fallen into that category.
Perhaps an interesting theory would be to suggest that the most popular posts are appealing to the lowest common denominator, and so the best stuff for hummus is to be found on the second page of the challenge.
edit: With regards to the multiple accounts theory - Ultimately the only reward of making stuff here is that it can give a buzz when people like it. If you were cheating those results, then I fail to see what someone would get out of making stuff and joining in.
monkeon schmonkeon,
Thu 28 Oct 2010, 16:47,
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Must admit I got the Channel 4 logo from the original, but didn't get the other frames. Looks a lot better as the single pane, and worthy of fp IMHOAs far as lowest common denominator goes, fuck 'em. I loved the diving bell and the butterfly text adventure; that mix of off-the-wall humour which is still bad taste enough to make me belly laugh is what I love about this site.
( da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>,
Thu 28 Oct 2010, 17:31,
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This, agree with this very much so.It is all down to personal taste, I just think that sometimes there's a biase towards other peoples work, because it's that persons.
Again, I must stress that I don't mention this because it's this or your post, but what HappyToast said triggered me to speak out a little to some concerns, or probably better said 'observations', on a site that I really like and spend a lot of time viewing.
I have no dislike for anything that goes on, just an interest on how things work. Like I said above, I'm an analytical sod, if things don't make sense I have to question them. Works well in my job, maybe not so much on a "puerile digital arts community" as wiki likes to call it ;)
(Again, I must stress that I don't mention this because it's this or your post, but what HappyToast said triggered me to speak out a little to some concerns, or probably better said 'observations', on a site that I really like and spend a lot of time viewing.
I have no dislike for anything that goes on, just an interest on how things work. Like I said above, I'm an analytical sod, if things don't make sense I have to question them. Works well in my job, maybe not so much on a "puerile digital arts community" as wiki likes to call it ;)
BleachedEgo draw a cdc then get back to your teen porn.Pricks,
Thu 28 Oct 2010, 22:20,
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You're welcome to mention it in context of me if you wantas I'm aware that I perhaps get a disproportionate amount of fps.
(though I appreciate the politeness)
However, I certainly don't believe that I get stuff fp'd because it's mine, merely because I must have a similar sense of humour to one or more moderators. As I mentioned below, some of my stuff does terribly, which I am glad for as it does give me some idea of what ideas work. This example was particularly interesting for that as the simple version worked, the complex one didn't. Made me realise the importance of clarity of ideas.
That said, I do get really pissed off when people accuse me of fp'ing my own stuff - as that would completely take the pleasure away from being here.
Also, there's been plenty of occasions when a new member has had their first post fp'd. Any bias (if at all) is towards fitting in with 'house style', not toward individuals.
At the end of the day, a good front page attracts people to the site, while a crap one would put people off, so there is no real logical reason I can see why someone would not flag a post they liked because of who made it or, indeed, fp something they didn't like.
((though I appreciate the politeness)
However, I certainly don't believe that I get stuff fp'd because it's mine, merely because I must have a similar sense of humour to one or more moderators. As I mentioned below, some of my stuff does terribly, which I am glad for as it does give me some idea of what ideas work. This example was particularly interesting for that as the simple version worked, the complex one didn't. Made me realise the importance of clarity of ideas.
That said, I do get really pissed off when people accuse me of fp'ing my own stuff - as that would completely take the pleasure away from being here.
Also, there's been plenty of occasions when a new member has had their first post fp'd. Any bias (if at all) is towards fitting in with 'house style', not toward individuals.
At the end of the day, a good front page attracts people to the site, while a crap one would put people off, so there is no real logical reason I can see why someone would not flag a post they liked because of who made it or, indeed, fp something they didn't like.
monkeon schmonkeon,
Fri 29 Oct 2010, 0:44,
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if the mods like you it doesn't mater what you post
prodigy69 broke b3ta and made everyone leave,
Thu 28 Oct 2010, 22:58,
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I think it's more"If the mods like your style, then you are going to get more fps" - since, at the end of the day, an fp is just an "I like this!" from a mod.
I'm obviously lucky that at least one mod must like my stuff as I do very well with fp's. However, I've also posted plenty of crap which no-one has voted on and which has quitely vanished off the board.
Whilst I am aware that I am lucky that this is the case, the idea of mods who pick stuff according to the tone of a site is what gives a site it's voice. If every popular post was automatically fp'd without any moderation, then the site would quickly lose it's tone in favour of something more bland, in the same way that TV ratings do not necessarily flag up the best programmes.
(I'm obviously lucky that at least one mod must like my stuff as I do very well with fp's. However, I've also posted plenty of crap which no-one has voted on and which has quitely vanished off the board.
Whilst I am aware that I am lucky that this is the case, the idea of mods who pick stuff according to the tone of a site is what gives a site it's voice. If every popular post was automatically fp'd without any moderation, then the site would quickly lose it's tone in favour of something more bland, in the same way that TV ratings do not necessarily flag up the best programmes.
monkeon schmonkeon,
Fri 29 Oct 2010, 0:29,
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oh and please don't take what I said as an attack on you, I just think the mods have their favourites
( prodigy69 broke b3ta and made everyone leave,
Fri 29 Oct 2010, 8:32,
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