Right...
So in respect of the flag-burning thing, you're basically saying that, because some people get all jumpy about what is inescapably nothing but a piece of coloured cloth, everyone ought to get jumpy about it.

I disagree. It's just a piece of cloth.

That immigrants get healthcare and housing is a matter of pride. I'm curious about how pusillanimous someone has to be to think that generosity is a vice. And the idea that people come here for the sake of benefits is, overwhelmingly, false. First, benefits are nowhere near as generous as you seem to think. Second, and more importantly, a recent survey of illegal immigrants showed that the vast majority didn't know they were coming to the UK, and almost none knew that they could claim benefits of any sort. I'll try to dig out the URL with this at some point.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 10:16, 1 reply)

Not debating the rights and wrongs but surely that last bit is bollocks no matter what they've said.

Firstly, as a scumbucket trafficer, it is surely cheaper to kick people out at the first place they can claim asylum rather than smuggle them all the way to the UK.

Secondly, why come here if not for the benefits? Surely you'd stop off somewhere nice, like the Dordogne than schlep your way to Solihull?
(fivetide, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 14:29, closed)

I have no idea of the mechanisms of the trafficker's mind.
Nevertheless, ignorance of entitlements and of destination is what the survey found.

Your inability to explain why they come here if not for the benefits is not evidence that that's why they do come here.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 23:16, closed)