Equal Pay
Women earn less than men on average - fact. Maybe it's because they don't work as hard?
(Pere Ubu, Duke of Lithuania, Tue 5 Jan 2010, 23:59, 6 replies)

I always argue that...
Women are paid on average less for similar work because past a certain level in business you've gotta hype yourself up and demand certain salary levels, blokes are better at doing that.

Whether that's because women actually find it hard to value themselves to a business that highly, are less greedy by nature, or simply fear for their job if they ask for a ridiculous salary, who knows?!
( JebediahSpringfield, Wed 6 Jan 2010, 0:49, closed)

Well,
a woman's work is never done...
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Wed 6 Jan 2010, 6:16, closed)

Woman, on average
have different career profiles to men, ie less full time employment, less commitment to progression in the professions etc.

The way to close the earnings gap is to give men the same career profile as woman. More paid paternity and an expectation of shared childcare, including equality in the family courts.

Woman will not have equality in earnings when there are huge gaps in parental rights.

Continuing down the Harriet Harman route of ever more onerous liabilities on companies employing woman will make the earnings gap bigger not smaller.
( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Wed 6 Jan 2010, 6:54, closed)

Are you referencing that government study showing a 23% pay gap?
That was seriously flawed. It included part-time work compared to full-time work, and more women work part time than men so that skewed the statistics. Part-timers earn less than full-timers? No shit. Remove that and the gap goes down by about half I think.

Then a little more about the different demographics of the workforce showed more hokum. For example, there are much fewer women in the workforce over fifty than men over fifty, the age when a person is likely to have their highest salary. Then a look at sectors: female-dominated big industries like childcare, teaching and the media are quite low-paid compared to male dominated sectors like engineering and finance. Then benefits: the study doesn't account for things like flexi-time, which we're told is a more female-friendly policy much sough after by women, which may be given in replacement of a higher salary.

And ultimately there was a rather good analysis which showed the differences of age: there is no pay gap for those in their twenties, and those who are single. Essentially, the pay gap is a parental pay gap: those who have children, both men and women, earn less than those who don't. Of those who do have children, women earn a little less than men because a greater proportion choose not to go back to high-flying, high-skilled work. (That could be evidence of inherent cultural sexism; equally, it could be the result of millions of people each reaching the same conclusion depending on their individual circumstances.)

That's the trends and statistics, anyway. For proof of gender discrimination in pay, actual examples need to be provided. Two people, doing the same job, being paid differently because their employer has chosen to pay them differently (not because they've negotiated their own pay because that depends on traits not attributable to gender).

Then there'd be evidence of a pay gap.
(Land of Green Ginger It's dreamy weather, Wed 6 Jan 2010, 10:49, closed)

Bad Land of Green Ginger....
....you're not allowed to go looking at the facts. Ms. Harperson will be round in the morning to lobotomise you with a rusty spoon.
(Falco, Wed 6 Jan 2010, 11:49, closed)

She is such a cunt
I hope she dies soon. SLowly, painfully and ironically. Perhaps after being molested by angry lezzers?
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Thu 7 Jan 2010, 14:43, closed)