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# their name escapes me
who/what sang that?
(I helped save b3ta! lazygamer VS tittybiscuits, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 0:46, archived)
# Dead Or Alive?
www.fnord.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/spinme.htm
I'm not sure if they had a ? or not.
(I helped save b3ta! Professor Fnord Regius Professor of B3ta Chronology, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 0:47, archived)
# no ?
but great hair
www.deadoralive.net/
(I helped save b3ta! rob, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 0:48, archived)
# thank you all so much. shareaza is getting a hammering tonight
:)
(I helped save b3ta! lazygamer VS tittybiscuits, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 0:49, archived)
# shareaza better than kazaa lite?
i'm curious to know your experiences...
(I helped save b3ta! rob, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 0:51, archived)
# kazaa lite has slowed down a lot recently
Haven't properly tried shareaza yet
(I helped save b3ta! wayward., Mon 19 Jan 2004, 0:52, archived)
# I'm still getting good results with kazaa lite
er.. except for finding "There's No Business Like Show Business" by Ethel Merman.
(I helped save b3ta! rob, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 0:53, archived)
# Seriously?
I just found it
(I helped save b3ta! wayward., Mon 19 Jan 2004, 1:06, archived)
# email us a copy?
I could only find one from Annie Get Your Gun.
(I helped save b3ta! rob, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 1:27, archived)
# Er
might be that one. I'll send it anyway.
(I helped save b3ta! wayward., Mon 19 Jan 2004, 1:41, archived)
# well it does
edonkey, morpheus, itself, gnutella and bit torrents in one go and siphons them together.

and i found everything i wanted to download from it so yes.

and there's no spyware crap in it.
(I helped save b3ta! lazygamer VS tittybiscuits, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 0:52, archived)
# my mate is working on a system that
will unify cd rips from different pressings of the cd so that in kazaa et all you have 1 file with 1000users instead fo the other way round... he's quite obsessed by it. the tiny differences in pressings are apparently very sublte but enough to stop the hashing being the same.. apparently
(I helped save b3ta! alistair, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 0:55, archived)
# ooh. Out of curiousity. Does anyone know if my use of kazaa is legal...
My missus is editting a TV show this week and has given me a list of 100 songs she wants to use as a music bed.

I'm downloading them tonight and burning a CD for her.

She's going to fill in a form and pay the record companies for their use on TV. (There's standard procedures for this stuff.)

So. The record company is being paid - what laws are being broken?
(I helped save b3ta! rob, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 0:56, archived)
# You are only paying public broadcasting royalties
but you didn't pay for the recording of the material in the first place. That might be the stickler.
(Fellmeister, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 0:58, archived)
# if I borrowed them from the public library
would we be in the clear?

(Not that I'm going to)
(I helped save b3ta! rob, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 1:04, archived)
# Is that the excuse
you're going to give as to how you first got the tracks?

(Fellmeister, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 1:08, archived)
# can't offer any knowledgeable legal advice
but say you recorded them all off the radio.
If pressed further - archived Internet Radio, in fact your own archived internet radio show where you played all sorts of music from various places and had all these songs.
(I helped save b3ta! Professor Fnord Regius Professor of B3ta Chronology, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 1:08, archived)
# your still making a mechanical recording of the songs
therefore the MCPS can collect (however recorded radio shows are rarely targeted unless made commercially available.)
(I helped save b3ta! Muns, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 1:19, archived)
# umm...
i dunno actually

common sense says you're ok ... but that doesn't mean anything where laws are concerned
(vork and burlap, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 0:59, archived)
# that might depend on what you do with the cd and
your downloaded bits... but i don't see why id wouldn't be...

not that i'm an expert.

how will she know exactly which ones she used to pay them?
(I helped save b3ta! alistair, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 1:00, archived)
# in the US that's fine
or so i'm told, but in the UK its illegal to download any copyright material from the web without written consent. so if she wrote a letter to the record labels like "need to use kazaa to get 100 songs of yours, IOU some money soon" probably would solve it.
(I helped save b3ta! lazygamer VS tittybiscuits, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 1:01, archived)
# I'm now thinking
that this was nothing more than an ellaborate rouse to show how little we know about the plethora of laws we're breaking.

Ignorance is bliss but not an excuse in the eyes of the law. I, for one, couldn't care less.
(Fellmeister, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 1:04, archived)
# if they catch me
i'll pay up. fair cop.
(I helped save b3ta! lazygamer VS tittybiscuits, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 1:05, archived)
# same here.
but I ain't paying for the games i've taken days to download only for them not to work properly!
(Fellmeister, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 1:09, archived)
# yeah but you'll have to pay for all the stuff you alowed to be uploaded to other
peeps as well
(I helped save b3ta! alistair, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 1:25, archived)
# interesting one
but the medium in which rob is looking at using the recordings means that the record label would hardly see a penny, and the PRS would distribute the lot to the artist as they're the copyright holder..
(I helped save b3ta! Muns, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 1:22, archived)
# The two main bodies you'll have to deal with
are the MCPS and the PRS (mechanical copyrights protection society and the performing rights society) the PRS collects royalties from TV stations and film theatres, pubs, nightclubs, anywhere public area in which music is player, and distributes to the artists.

the only problem may be the MCPS (which always provides a cut to the artist when a recorded work is copied to a form of media) the transfer from internet to the eventual media via your computer can be seen as a stage of recording, data transfer for mastering or temporary storage. as long as you delete any music after the transfer to the final master copy you are violating no laws.

hope that made sense, i am a little wasted.
(I helped save b3ta! Muns, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 1:14, archived)
# you sound informed
cheers for that
(I helped save b3ta! rob, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 1:40, archived)
# glad to help
copyright laws are quite possibly the most messed up confused laws going, no clear definitions for most of them anywhere.
(I helped save b3ta! Muns, Mon 19 Jan 2004, 1:44, archived)