I don't read the Dail Mail, no. Starved of oxygen? I don't remember. Plausible explanation though.

If anyone from this country stood in a market or town centre of another and burned the flag of the country they were in or an effigy of their leader then they would be lucky to get out alive.

On the other hand, *some* of them come here (having travelled thousands of miles, passing through many other countries who could give them somewhere to live on the way), claim the benefits, get free health care and housing yet still have the cheek to complain and call us cunts. It they want to be here then fine but I don't see why we should give them the benefits if they don't live by our rules.
(ThatNiceMan thought he was being funny, Sat 24 Sep 2011, 23:34, 2 replies)

Right...
So in respect of the flag-burning thing, you're basically saying that, because some people get all jumpy about what is inescapably nothing but a piece of coloured cloth, everyone ought to get jumpy about it.

I disagree. It's just a piece of cloth.

That immigrants get healthcare and housing is a matter of pride. I'm curious about how pusillanimous someone has to be to think that generosity is a vice. And the idea that people come here for the sake of benefits is, overwhelmingly, false. First, benefits are nowhere near as generous as you seem to think. Second, and more importantly, a recent survey of illegal immigrants showed that the vast majority didn't know they were coming to the UK, and almost none knew that they could claim benefits of any sort. I'll try to dig out the URL with this at some point.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 10:16, closed)

Not debating the rights and wrongs but surely that last bit is bollocks no matter what they've said.

Firstly, as a scumbucket trafficer, it is surely cheaper to kick people out at the first place they can claim asylum rather than smuggle them all the way to the UK.

Secondly, why come here if not for the benefits? Surely you'd stop off somewhere nice, like the Dordogne than schlep your way to Solihull?
(fivetide, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 14:29, closed)

I have no idea of the mechanisms of the trafficker's mind.
Nevertheless, ignorance of entitlements and of destination is what the survey found.

Your inability to explain why they come here if not for the benefits is not evidence that that's why they do come here.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 23:16, closed)

We supposedly have Freedom of Speech in this country
This should also be freedom to express your opinions and, if you really want to and own the piece of cloth in question, burn a flag. I wouldn't do it because i believe it to be an utterly futile gesture but surely we should be free to do so.
(andythepieman Is surfing the waves of indifference on, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:10, closed)

It's the implication of it.
If you took someone into your home, fed them and clothed them for a few months and then have them say "You're a twat. I hate you and the way you run your house." What's your response?

1. "Freedom of speech and all that. I'm glad you have an opinion."
2. "You ungrateful shit. Get out of my house."

It's about not biting the hand that feeds you and all that.
(ThatNiceMan thought he was being funny, Tue 27 Sep 2011, 13:49, closed)